open source(/Free software?) communism or capitalism or something else?
I ask for all GNU General Public License, and the likes included in my question.
>>2
"Economic systems have nothing to do with software."
For example communism is not just a economic system.
Quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism first paragraph(?)
"Communism is a...as well as a social, political and economic ideology"
Note:I know Wikipedia many arguer is not trusted source of information
but I am lazy and I think this point dose not need more sorceress
of stronger evidence.(below is not fact)
In my opinion a ideological is nothing more then a label to
define a community(this can be sad because communism is a ideological by Wikipedia definition).
What ideology it will be defines how the people in the community will go
about the resources that are able. This is the ground foundation on
how a community will be. As I can point out, to make a community you need
to be 2 or more people. From this foundation people will think differently
and act in certain ways from other communitys.
For example:
Most of west world in today society live in a "White Global Capitalistic
Consumer Consumption society".
There is more people in this society to be
narcissistic and egoistic(Note:This is a well know fact, look it up
if you don't believe me, I don't have the links right now, sorry)
even through I would say more ignorant people become then that.
This has effected has replace old traditional European holidays with
White Global Consumer Consumption Holidays like Saint Valentine's Day.
That is to say that love is more then a man putting
his dick in a vagina by buying shit and watching Jew Hollywood movies.
But the holiday is just there to consume in the end
and all the old holidays of western society are
forgotten or more or less transformed to shit that is just to buy shit and nothing more. Like Black Friday. That is the high of culture in today modern civilization world that most people strive to be a like.
People think differently in what way resources are being handled.
software has community! Q:How?
A:Software in my definition is "code is a idea how hardware should work"
(Note:This is my opinion and nothing backing it up)
But you can not denies that software is a resource. And like all
resources if there are people, it will create a community and because of this
it can be defined with a label for what kind of community it is, like
communism.
Code is the same as reading. As a resource. Both are ideas that dose
not exist as made in the same way oil or food was made. But there
is so big amount of ways you can express your self or make a PC
work. That it become a resource.
A thing that makes Open source community for me to lean to communism is that
Linus Torvalds(A big name in Linux a open source operation system)
dad "was active in the Communist Party of Finland (SKP)". This must mean
communism has at least invoked Linus Torvalds to see communism pretty
good way(this is just a assumption). Maybe that triggered in the young
fat furry boy to make his operation system open?
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils_Torvalds)
This dose not effect anything butt sure tells me that Communist has some
thing to do with open source.
Another fact that I have been observed is that. People with smaller
community are more communism(?) as:
"For Marx...capable of producing surplus, did private property develop"
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism in "Early communism" paragraph(?))
This can be seen as:
https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
Are:
BLAG Linux, Dragora, Dynebolic, gNewSense, Musix, Parabola,
Trisquel, Ututo XS, LibreWRT
But most used linux system are not 100% free:
It is Android,
(http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity)
Mint, Debian, Ubuntu, Manjaro, Mageia, openSUSE, Fedora, Puppy
(https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_wsAIhp36q8J:http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1673365/The-Difference-Between-a-Tribe-and-a-Band%2Bhow+many+people+need+to+be+in+a+tribe&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&gbv=1&hl=en&nfpr=&spell=1&ct=clnk)
Note:From what I can tell small community bands(10-50 people)
are more "communists" or free if you want to say that. Then
larger groups.(I assume that there are not many people in
the GNU recommendation because the are not in the TOP of most
used distros and I have never heard of theme.)
Last note:
software is resource and because of this economic apply.
And a resource if used, will create some kind order if more the one person use it, creating a community or structure of things should be.
Note:I have no value the fact of the facts here, because I am lazy and it is
really bad written hope you understand what I want to say.
it is
its own economic system
its own political system
its own sexual orientation
its own religion
dresses up like an indian tech support guy and dumps your proprietary software in the bay
vote for freedom
vote open source
Open source software isn't really directly related to any economic system or philosophy. If I had to BS a short(ish) answer, then I'd avoid the topic entirely by noting that the main reason why the free software movement ever gained a toehold in the market is capitalism. It was this economic system that gave the masses the toys (PCs and their derivatives) on which free software flourishes. What would free software be if no one had a personal computer?
"isn't really directly related to ... or philosophy"
Source:https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/
"Philosophy of the GNU Project"
Note:GNU is a variation of Open Source, you can say.
Ever individual with a mind can define of course there own
way to describe in there own philosophy way of Open Source
if they have the time and bravery. So of course dose not mean
ever body agree with GNU describing what open source is for
everyone.
"isn't really directly related to any economic system"
Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_economics
"Open-source economics is an economic platform"
Note:I did not read more of this article then this
that I quotation because I think it is obis us(+And I am
ignorant and lazy).
"movement ever gained a toehold in the market is capitalism"
Source:My own experiences
Note:NO! One big thing was contributing from own will with money.
Open source was never from what I knew where you need to pay money
to the person to get the source code...most of the open source
project at least.
Q:"What would free software be if no one had a personal computer?"
Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_free_and_open-source_software
"produced by computer science academics and corporate researchers working
in collaboration. As such, it was generally distributed under the principles
of openness and co-operation long established in the fields of academia,
and was not seen as a commodity in itself."
Note:From my reading the early days when there were not many
people in computer industry people needed to share openly there source code
ether way. Long before the personal computer became for the masses.
But I can not find that open source were before personal computers as
Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_personal_computers
"The IBM 610 was designed between 1948 and 1957"
But!
Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_free_and_open-source_software
"1950s ... researchers working in collaboration"
So personal computer where before open source?
Note:I am not looking hard here, just first page that google gives
me, so yeah. You must be right with you question.
So to answer this question of yours:
What would free software be if no one had a personal computer?
I will say it would be MINIX(?).
Note:Do you not mean more instead of personal computer the internet?
I think it was more important...for open source development.
Last Source Note:I think that www.gnu.org is a strong source and the same for wikipedia.
Last Note:"I'd avoid the topic entirely" yes, I do agree with you and it is my fault for this stupid topic. I am sorry to bring this topic on the user of world2ch. And will not longer do so. I feel bad and know not that I did bad.
-OP
>>7
If we were both knee deep in mud on a collective farm fighting to the death over a half a roll of inadequate toilet paper, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Everything we're doing right now is the result of capitalism.
>>8
"Everything we're doing right now is the result of capitalism."
(Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism)
"Capitalism is an economic system in which capital assets are
privately owned and goods and services are produced for profit
in a market economy."
Well my opinion is not privately owned. As I shar it now.
(Source:http://home.wlv.ac.uk/~le1958/t2.htm)
In my opinion we sould use cut up newspaper so I can wipe my
ass clean with a image of Karl Marx.
(Note:I am neutral and this is a joke. I dont want to give
impresion that I am a capitalis or communist)
>>8
How do you know? There are many political systems other than capitalism and Marxism that haven't been put into practice yet.
>>10
How do you know? There are many political systems that haven't been put into practice yet.
I can see that many political system are very similar to other political system, many the same as from stone age.
Democracy is old, even if it was discovered by a Greece pedophile for ~2500 years back. But still the average brainwashed consumer culture, ignorant person he/she know what is best for there family and not the majority of scientist who get there money from the corporations with some intellectual capacity know what to say.
And what is written on paper is not always what you will see because people, just can not do magic.